22 Vs .223 Sound

I was over on the Bench Rest Central Forum and saw a 3 page thread (which is an unusually LONG thread for those guys!) that began as an inquiry into which cartridge folks thought was more 'inherently accurate'.As often happens on these Ford vs. Chevy type issues the thread started to include personal attacks and bizzarro tangents.I would like to know what cartridge the average Varmint reloader has obtained the best accuracy with when comparing similarly set up Rifles and scopes?Currently I am shooting 6 Varmint Rifles in caliber 222 Remington and 9 Varminters in caliber 223 Remington. I believe that if both rifles were absolutely identical, the brass is perfect, and the bullets used were from the same lot, that the.222 would win. There is no way to make them identical though, because Lapua doesn't make brass for the.222. Some still shoot the.222. The recoil is zero, doesn't burn much powder so the barrel won't foul as much or heat up as fast. These are small differences, but everything in Benchrest is measured with a micrometer.Under ideal conditions with no wind, it would be hard to tell the difference between the two.

And even then, it would probably come down to the shooter.The 22PPC will wear both of them out when it is windy.The reputation for accuracy is why the.222 still has a following. I have two.223's and they are my favorite rifles. I am still kicking myself for not buying that Rem M788 in.222 when I was in the middle of my 'magnum craze' 10 years ago. 'In my experience (opinion) I feel the 222 Remington is capable of slightly better accuracy (short range accuracy at 100 and 200 yard distances).' It seems like a smaller cartridge of the same general capacity and shape will do slightly better at the range. Thus the.222 is slighly more accurate, on average, than the.223 and.222 Magnum, or the.308 vs.

The 30-06.But, it takes a LOT of shooting, with quite a few rifles, for that slight average difference to show. And even then it often seems to be hard to 'prove' passed a general feeling, or opinon.For factory rifles, shooting over the counter bullets from less than ideal benches, I think it would be impossible to prove that one cartridge is 'inherently' more accurate than another. Even BR shooters can only see perhaps a.010' difference in 100 yard groups with the 'more inherently accurate' 6mm PPC over the old.222. There are far too many other variables affecting accuracy with our factory varmint rifles than the cartridge!Opinion: That makes the whole concept and argument of a more 'accurate cartridge' for a common shooter firing a common rifle with common ammo seem a laughable illusion to me!

I believe that if both rifles were absolutely identical, the brass is perfect, and the bullets used were from the same lot, that the.222 would win. There is no way to make them identical though, because Lapua doesn't make brass for the.222.Actually, Lapua does make brass for the.222 Rem. Maybe they don't export'em to the U.S.A., but I am sitting here looking at the cases I have.I am in Sweden, and I can tell you that Lapua.222 Rem ammo is quite common in Sweden and Finland where this calibre is much more common than in North America. I am not sure if they sell empty cases - I bought factory loads to get my cases.This Lapua brass for the.222 is very precise - I have weighed 50 of my cases at random, and also measured their runout on my RCBS case gauge. They are the most uniform cases of any brand or calibre that I have run into.JohnRe: 222 vs. 223 - Accuracy Wise08/22/08.

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Jpb, the Lapua brass for.222 is scarce here in the states. You might be able to get it here on special order, but I wouldn't count on it.I use Lapua brass in.223,.243, 308, and 30BR, and find that there isn't even a close second in regards to quality. It's a little pricey, but there is none better.I just wish they would bring back the.223 brass with the.062 flashole.

Apparently, some people broke their decapping pins unaware of it, so they stopped importing it. If they still make it, they don't send it here.Lapua has turned making brass into an art form, and I thank them for it. FC363:Ah, I see that you have likely done as I have and weighed & checked different brands for runout! If there is something better than Lapua I have not encountered in 30 years of reloading. By the way, I'm not that old, but I started at a tender age!I haven't seen Lapua.223 or.222 cases with the small primer hole, but interestingly, I have some Norma.222 Rem cases with the tiny primer hole. I don't have enough of them to do a meaningful test of their accuracy compared to the Lapua, however, but it would be interesting to see if the small primer hole was more important for accuracy than the greater uniformity of the Lapua with respect to volume (=weight) and neck concentricity.

The.22 Nosler is the elder of the two, being released at the 2017 SHOT Show. Using a rebated rim—to maintain the same case head diameter of the.223 Remington (0.378″), so as to maintain the same bolt face—the.22 Nosler uses a wider case dimension for additional case capacity. May 29, 2014 Got some extra cash and have never owned a suppressor. I have a friend with a.22 suppressed and am impressed but I'd like one for an AR. I know there are lots of models but can someone give me an idea of how loud it would be? Louder than an un-suppressed.22? I'd also like one for 9mm and a.22 but though I'd start with a.223 for some reason.

Of course, having all three would be best, and I'll Lapua could deliver if anybody could!I just bought 100 rounds of factory loaded.222 Rem loaded by Lapua with rather short blunt FMJ bullets (intended for grouse hunting: the short blunt bullets are designed to not tumble and tear up the meat). If these turn out to have the small primer holes I will post the info here.Have you considered making.222 Rem from.223? I wonder if you could do so and keep everything concentric though.John.

I'm sure the triple deuce has the accuracy edge, by a slight margin. But then again, the 22 ppc seems to have beat out the 222 in the br game, when 22's are used.As a practicle chambering with available guns, ammo, brass and loaded ammo, the 223 trounces the 222, and picks up a couple hundred fps in the process.In the absolute accuracy game, the 222 has fallen out of favor to the 22 ppc and 22br.Other than for nostalgia, I can't see building a 222 on an action using the.375' case head. 223 or 223AI is the name of the game.I agree with all of the above.The only reason I have a.222 Rem and not a.223 is that I was able to buy one of those tiny Sako rifles in mint condition for a very good price. Mine was made in 1964, and the machining, polish and blue is well beyond any production or semi-production rifle made today.I considered reaming the.222 to.223, but I shot it first. The thing was so accurate that I did not want to mess with it at all! Since I'm a reloader, the cheaper surplus ammo in.223 is not a big advantage, and neither is a couple of hundred fps more.JohnRe: 222 vs.

223 - Accuracy Wise08/22/08. Owning a 223 is like having a bungerI have 2 Sako L461's in my safe and one Remington in 222. I won't make claims to any accuracy, one or the other, but most 222's I've seen will put 5 in a 1/2, sometimes regularly with any old bullet.If pressure of the load is same/same your looking at 150 fps., MAX.

Factory ammo, is of course lower pressure for the Deuce.If looking at a 222 Mag or 224 Ruger, they'd do same/same too, maybe more as 223 AI.I wish there was still room for all of them; its ironic the 221 was such a smash, when it doesn't do what a 222 does. A nice M7 varmint sure sounds good.Rem. Still makes the 798 in 222; I got the last of the 700 BDL's in Feb. By March they were no more.

All things being equal, the duce wins.But, is it by enough margin to make a hill of beans? If you want to enter a benchrest competition where only the duce and the 223 are allowed, I'll go with the duce every time.However, there are a WHOLE lot of VERY accurate 223's out there. I have two of them, along with two duces. The 223 adds distance to your hunting rifle over the duce; you can make longer kills with it. Add the 222 Rem Magnum to the discussion, and you have a real free for all. The 222 Rem Magnum is very accurate too.Back in the early 1970's, before the 6 PPC came along, I shot centerfire benchrest competetively. My two rifles were, a duce Heavy Varmint rifle, and a 6x47 that I shot for light varmint and sporter matches.

At that time, there were competitors shooting the 222 Rem Mag for their heavy Varmint rifle, because for the 200 yard matches, the Mag wasn't as affected by the wind as much as the duce was. I think the 222 Mag and the 223 are so close in accuracy, it isn't worth arguing over.

I do like the longer neck of the 222 Mag case though.Don. Varmint Guy,I recently made this post on another Forum where a guy was looking for 222 Mag brass, so it's written in the context of answering him. Some interesting things in it.I recently went through the same problem you are facing, finding a source for 222 Rem Mag brass. I called all of the usual suspects, and NONE of them had any. But, I found that Nosler makes Custom Loaded 222 Rem Mag ammo exclusively for Midway.

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So, I called Midway and learned that this ammo is sold in boxes of 50 each, and has the Nosler 50 grain Ballistic Tip bullet up front. I ordered a box which cost IIRC $62. I have two Rem 722's chambered in 222 Rem Mag, and I took one of the two to the range with a 20x Scope on top to 'shoot up this factory stuff' just to get the brass. I did my look thru the barrel and scope ritual to do a boresight job at a target 100 yards down range, then shot a bullet to see where it landed.

I was lucky this time as the bullet hit the paper.LOL, about two inches from the bull at 11:00 oclock. I thought I'd confirm that by shooting another shot, and that bullet landed 1/4' from the other. I said to myself, holy bleep; what's going on here?

I decided to shoot a 5 shot group at that point of impact, and three of the 5 shots all went in the same hole!!! Another private holy bleep. The group mesured 1/2' C-T-C, which I learned later after retreiving the target.I took a break, and decided to shoot another 5 shot group at a different point of aim, so I moved the cross wires to 12:00 over the bull. Guess what, another 1/2' group for 5 shots, all the while I'm muttering to myself that this can NOT be; factory ammo shooting this well???Well, a couple of days later, I took the second 222 mag to the range with the same 20x scope on top, and proceeded to shoot two more 5 shot groups with it and they also measued 1/2'.At that point in time, I realized that I had a winner with that ammo!! As if there was any question.LOLI IMMEDIATELY called Midway and ordered two more 50 round boxes of that ammo. Then I proceeded to disassemble a round of the ammo to see what made it tick.LOL I figured out by comparison what powder they were using, but could not decide what primers they used, and that's ok as I used Federal Match Primers and they have always delivered good accuracy for me, so, I'll use them.

The 50 grain Nosler BT's I have on hand.So, GHD, my suggestion to you is buy some of that ammo and see how it shoots in your rifle. If it shoots as well as it does in my rifle, you have a winner too. The worst that can happen is you have some expensive brass after shooting the 50 rounds.

But, I have a hunch it will shoot for you too. I started out shooting BR with a 222 years ago. I bought and shot out many 40X 222 take off barrels on p. Dogs and ground squirrels.Later on, I re-chambered some of those same 222 barrels to a 223 with a minimum spec match chamber.As long as you consider 100 yard being your only criteria, the 222 will have a slight edge.very slight. Now throw in more wind and/or consider 200 yd range, 223 will walk all over the 222.Bottom line, in a 24' 222, the 52's can be shot at 3250 Max accurately.

IN a 223, the 52's can be shot at 3550 with IMI brass and N-133.Full blown custom 700's or 40X, with minimum spec match chambers; Hart barrels with zero or little freebore, bedded in a McMillen Hunter or Bencrest stock; 32-36x scope will get anyone to stand up and shout when they see the groups at 200 yards shot with these types of guns.The 222's just fall apart with any kind of distances with wind. I went back to shooting a Shelin DGA with in 222 after many years. I was Trying to shoot tiny groups at 100 yards, I felt as if I were shooting a BB gun because it was so wind sensitive.

I sold the gun to a friend who was a freek over 222's.Re: 222 vs. 223 - Accuracy Wise08/24/08. DMB: Thanks for sharing that correspondence with us.Thats another Rifle I have had 'slip through my fingers' that I wish I had held onto - a Remington 722 in 222 Remington Magnum!I recently shot a group (5 shots at 100 yards) with my Remington 722 in 222 Remington that measured.626'!